It was typical to have a picnic on a Friday evening in Oklahoma. The word was short for "pick a nigger" to lynch. They would lynch a Black male and cut off body parts as souvenirs. This went on every weekend in this country, and it was all across the county.
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ReplyDeleteIt came from pic a nigga like he said, it might the word might have been french but some whites stole it like they did everything back then cause it fit, so you do more research. stay real to yourself.
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DeleteI am 53 years young and u r wrong the word does mean to pick a nigger and lynch. The elders in my family didn"t lie
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Deletefabulusblogger b 4 you correct someone, do more research u'r self. Try by reading African American History as told by Black American Historians. Not those who have to cover up what they have done though out American History.
ReplyDeleteThe first usage of the word is traced to the 1692 edition of Tony Willis, Origines de la Langue Française, which mentions pique-nique as being of recent origin; it marks the first appearance of the word in print. The term was used to describe a group of people dining in a restaurant who brought their own wine. For long a picnic retained the connotation of a meal to which everyone contributed something. Whether picnic is actually based on the verb piquer which means 'pick' or 'peck' with the rhyming nique meaning "thing of little importance" is doubted; the Oxford English Dictionary says it is of unknown provenance. The word predates lynching in the United States; claims that it is derived from a shortening of 'pick a nigger' are not true.[2]
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Ok, lets say ur right about it all then the word fits perfectly!!! "little importance" (black people) "feast outside" (celebrating after killing one) sound like its a perfect match! So yes, to me thats where it came from!
DeleteEven if the original word was originated in France do you not remember that France played an intricate part in the Slave Trade.
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There are many words with different meanings do more research have you heard the saying a pic is worth a thousand words? I have and seeing ppl picked to b hung while ppl ate in picnic style says it all it don't take a rocket science to know what's going on let alone how the term came about it makes sense when u look at the pic n say the word its a match if your white your right it doesn't matter to you cause it didn't happen to your ancestors
DeleteAmerican Whites have always played with the english language, especially when dealing with Black Americans. For all of you Uncle Tom who have been breast fed your knowledge of self by your masters, this word came from France. As for myself, this term was made famous in this country during a horrible era...one of the biggest crimes in world history. Most people treat it as taboo to speak of yet other nationalities are always remembering their history, both good-and-painful. Why are we the only people attempting to be other than ourselves to be liked/accepted/employed/etc?
ReplyDeleteWhere does the theory of the treatment of Native Americans, African Americans, Haitians, Cubans, South Africans, Native Austrailians, Indians, etc stem from. Try answering that!!
How about this, the question was "where did the term COME from". Either way, if the timeline is correct then obviously it was in use by the french regarding eating out. Then it appears that the word found new meaning by those that participated in organized death hunts of US.
ReplyDeleteL O L rotfcthu. I'm spechless with a mouthful to say lol enough said!!!
DeleteObviously you are still enslaved if you think it's a heaven & Jesus is coming to save you. Jesus is a fictional character made up by the Archdiocese. Research your history & please don't belief that the Bible is saving life's for Blacks. Hotep
DeleteOnce it's been said that's it wake up ppl I know y'all know words with multiple meanings it's all in how you use it want to make this word positive try giving it a new name cause as a black person it's offensive just like being called a porch monkey it's a lot of ppl who think it's OK to say that word so if we let this word b positive we ignoring the pain n history behind it and that's just lies just like they did back then to cover their asses Black's didn't have a voice now we do sum choose to b dumb but for those like me black lives matter
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ReplyDeleteOf course it has to be something negative about black people.
ReplyDeleteYeahh. Ignorant People Always Have Somethin To Say About Blacks. Ech. Makes Me Freakin Sick that is not necessary.
ReplyDeletethe question is where it originated from, not where it was used for the most.
ReplyDeleteFor real? So what about http://www.snopes.com/language/offense/picnic.asp
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http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/question/jan04.htm
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Just curious where your info came from.
Let's not spread hatred.
You say "Let's not spread hatred", but the COMMISSION of that hatred was perpetrated against Black people by racist whites! You seem to be missing the point of this thread: TODAY'S use of the woord and our responsibility to ourselves and future genrations.
DeleteWhether the word originated in France or not, whether racist whites adapted it to describe their heinous, inhumane crimes during the 17th, 18th, or 19th centuries, the FACT is that IT HAPPENED, and we know it! The "hatred" is what white people did to us, NOT whether we agree on the origin of a word that now describes that travesty.
WE KNOW that white people brutally murdered Black people for no reason whatsoever other than their unwarranted hatred of us by way of forcible hanging (lynching), and that they often gathered in droves to witness these lynchings, oftenbringing their children to witness/experience, men would bring their dates, and some municipalities would even shut the county buildings down, women would prepare meals for their families, and people (often the Klan, but non-Klan whites participated in these practices as well) would prepare a "feast" for the "outdoors", then "barbeque" a Black person; hence, utilizing all the definitions you cite as the word's origin (including the one meaning "of little impoortance" citied by someone else above.
As well, WHY should we be expected to believe/accept YOUR so-called "proof" as opposed to believing/accepting our own? Is it because white people have chosen to "dispel" this so-called "urban legend"? Heck, it's white people who have purposely and collectively spread myths, lies, and falsehoods through their teachings of inaccurate "history" for years, hiding the true nature of their barbarism and always presenting themselves as the better and hence deserving conquerer/winner. It's time we as Black people begin thinking for ourselves, studying and researching OURSTORY (as opposed to "history"), and stop needing a white person to sanction, advocate, and co-sign everything we see, think, believe, or accept as true. In other words: Let's THINK FOR OURSELVES!!! REGARDLESS to whether the word originated in the 1600s in France or last week in Compton, the FACT is, IT HAPPENED. Let's not continue to help whites hide that fact.
If there is ANY ARGUMENT, DISAGREEMENT, OR DENIAL WHATSOEVER that these government sanctioned crimes agaisnt humanity have occured (and still occur today by way of police killings ahgainst innocent and unarmed Black men), the EVIDENCE IS HERE: http://withoutsanctuary.org/main.html
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DeleteAmen. Know them that labor among you. I don't hate anyone. It's not hate! It's truth revealed!!! I am in my early 40 and i had no knowledge until very recently what our ancestor went through to afford us the access we have now to public transportation to education to just freedom ect. I never considered it because I was never taught about it. It means so much to me now. I teach it to my children. We come from hardworking determined find away people we are Not what they classify us to be. Thank You So Much! Want to be one of the ones that make your sacrifice worth it!!!
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ReplyDeleteNow you know...and knowing brings understanding.. I have learn to forgive but to forget, how can I? You do understand don't you?
DeleteWhen I was a child in the '50s we would visit my grandfather's farm in Alabama. I vividly recall sitting on the porch on hot evenings, listening to stories told by people who were old even then, and were former slaves from the 1800s. They would tell of postings on bulletin boards in town, that alerted Whites that they would have a "Lynching, then a Picnic of a nigga" on the weekends.....Then some brainiac put it together and transposed the phrase, "Pic-a-nig". All across "Lynching states" in the south, that phrase became standard among racists and illiterate Whites. They stopped saying "Lynchin and a Picnic", and simply posted fliers saying, "We gonna have a Pic-a-Nig.".......People knew what they meant............Regardless of the word "picnic's" origin, in the South it took on a different association than what the French meant it to be.
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The word seem to have originated in France.....but took on a whole new meaning with the Southerners of America. It was very disturbing then to know how another human being can torture anyone else because of hatred. But, we all need to forgive to be able to move forward. There are a lot of other crimes that we need to focus on.....especially when it comes to our children. The violence needs to STOP!!!!!
ReplyDeleteQuestion: What did we do to make them hate us?
DeleteUsually when the word hate is used it's because of some horrible unthinkable act on someone's behalf.
What did we do to insue such hatred
The word does mean "Pick a Nigger". I am a black man and in some reading I recently did, thats where the word comes from. It came from Europe.
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When i think of Negro Mountain located in Cumberland MD,....and i studied the origin of the words Negro Mountain and discovered that it was actually once called "Nigger Mountain" but put short for negro because of the transformation from slavery to independence! So it doesnt surprise me to find out what "picnic" means!! The Wikipedia says french but the Wikipedia wont give u the true meanings of such things!! sometimes u gotta dig deeper!!
ReplyDeleteI just heard from Miss Ali on Dr. Drew, that the word "picnic" came from slavery times in the 20's & 30', therefore, I will never use that word again.
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