John Ford isn't looking like the cock on the block now. For someone whose known for talking smack. He is pretty quiet these days. I guess anything he could say at this point, would be incriminating. His brother Edmund Ford was the one who got the worm off the hook this time. John's braggadocio and ego finally got the best of him. Instead of pleading guilty and throwing himself on the mercy of the court. John Ford expected attorney Michael Scholl to work magic in his first trial, like he eventually did for Edmund. It wasn't in the cards though. The FBI outsmarted the jury. And put them in a no win situation. It almost worked. The attorney exhausted all his tricks. Then the FBI sent John to jail. At this point everything is just icing on the cake. Now they're just adding time.I found it funny that they had John's older brother Harold Sr. on tape telling him to resign. That didn't leave much to the imagination. Harold knows the importance of loyalty. Had Jake Butcher not been loyal to him when they were on trial. He would have probably done a stint in prison himself. Even though John had gotten away with his antics for the last 31 yrs. unscathed. He didn't know when to stop. Even for the sake of his associates he refused to quit. He held on until the end. Taking everyone in his past along with him. I guess that gives credence to the old adage "there's no honor among thieves." All he had to do was read the writing on the wall. And he could have forseen what was going to happen. This is an example of pride before destruction.
Transcript of Feb. 24, 2005, cell phone conversation between Harold Ford Sr. and his brother John.
ReplyDeleteOriginally published 07:47 p.m., July 14, 2008
Updated 07:47 p.m., July 14, 2008
Transcript of Feb. 24, 2005, cell phone conversation between Harold Ford Sr. and his brother John.
John Ford: Hey, how you doing.
Harold Ford Sr.: Doing pretty good. You doing all right?
JF: Well doing a little bit better, man. Just got a little cold and dealing with all this crap, you know.
HF: Yeah, but you could have avoided that (unintelligible) if you had taken my advice two weeks ago. That (expletive deleted) going to get 10 times worse, if you think it's bad now. Ain't no way you're going to put this fire out, man.
JF: You might be right, but I've got a lawyer on it. It may get bad but it may get better - or cease. I've got this top flight attorney out of Nashville, his firm. And we'll see in the next week or so where it is.
HF: John, what they're going to do is run all your income away. They do all of that and everything else, it won't be worth it anyway.
JF: I understand. They've essentially done that anyway.
HF: I mean they're going to do it all. I mean that's what I'm saying here. But I mean, it ain't worth it (unintelligible) in the Senate.
JF: The guy's working right now with everything to where they won't be able to do that. He's doing that as we speak. He's getting ready to cut all that crap out. He called me a while ago and I haven't called him.
HF: Well, he ain't going to cut no Commercial Appeal and Tennessean out, man. Can't no lawyer do that. (unintelligible). They going now, all these editorials flying and going back and forth, ain't no way in the hell they can do that.
JF: Well, I'm not sure, but that's not exactly what he's telling me.
It really ain't nothing on the income tax return - I'm just looking at it myself - that they have except that one thing. And they run the gamut on that. So it's nothing else really in there, you know what I mean.
HF: I mean the TennCare thing got to be the most explosive thing in the world, man.
JF: It is but ain't really nothing in there on that that much. But he's looking at every little.. (interrupted by Harold Ford).
HF: (unintelligible) I don't give a (expletive deleted) what your lawyer is telling you, that's criminal, man! John, the (expletive deleted) what your lawyer is telling you. (Unintelligible). You've got an opportunity to move your (expletive) on and (unintelligible).
JF: That's what we're doing. That's what we're doing, you know what I mean. That's what we're doing. We're doing exactly what you're .(Harold Ford interrupts).
HF: But you know, you probably still got a chance to (unintelligible) out, man. After a while it doesn't matter, man. Once the U.S. attorneys and all start with a grand jury investigation, it's over with. (unintelligible)
JF: We are trying to make certain that that does not occur at the present time - right now.
HF: All right.
JF: That advice is well taken. That is exactly what we're doing.
HF: (unintelligible) The Senate couldn't be worth that much. (unintelligible).. It should have gone away, man.
JF: It's not. If they had of thought that would have cut it off yesterday, we would have done it yesterday.
HF: Don't listen to your lawyers, man. (Expletive) them lawyers you're listening to. You've got to listen to somebody that's been through that (expletive), and (expletive) them lawyers, man.
JF: Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
HF: (Expletive) the (expletive) lawyers. If you'd taken my advice two weeks ago, none of this (expletive) would have happened. It would have been all over with. I wouldn't pay no attention to my (expletive) lawyers. Damn a lawyer, man. When it's all said and done, they gonna go on back and eat at home every night and keep their (expletive) income. Damn them, man. The way they talking that (expletive) to you, man.
HF: (Expletive) the Senate man, get the (expletive) out of there and don't embarrass the rest of your (expletive) friends who befriended you in a business-like way.
JF: Yeah.
HF: You're putting all of them on the spot. I'm hearing from 'em like you're putting them on the (expletive) spot.
JF: Yeah, I know.
HF: I mean, they're going every which way under the sun, man, on it. I mean, and so it might keep it up a little bit but hell, you coming out and stepping aside and saying you don't want to embarrass your colleagues in the Senate and this crazy (expletive) you're talking about it, I mean you might get another week of it but (expletive), you'll probably get praise for having the ability to see it. (Expletive) a lawyer. Don't take no lawyer to advise you on that, John.
JF: All right, well Tuesday will be the day then.
HF: That's what I would do man. I'd get the (expletive) out of the (unintelligible). Save, salvage some of this (expletive) you've got, man; if you don't you're going to end up losing a hundred percent of it and you ain't gonna know where to pick it up from.
JF: Yeah, you're probably right about that. I'll know Tuesday. They're not there on Monday, but I'll know Tuesday and we'll see what's what.
HF: All right buddy.
JF: I'll holler at you and let you know.
HF: All right.
John's ego finally got the best of him. I'm wondering if all the income from the Tenn care was on his Income taxes. I havn't heard one way another if it was or not.
ReplyDeleteJohn Ford may live past 80 years and experience freedom again. However, it has to be extremely depressing to spend your sunset years like this. I feel for Ford's kids esp. his youngest child whom Tamara most likely had to show the other girlfriends up.
ReplyDeleteJohn should have listened to Harold Sr. who had been there, done that.
I bet Junior is so glad this came out AFTER he was on "Meet The Press" Sunday.
ReplyDeleteThe really scary part is that John could live past 80 years and still have the same women fighting over him when he gets out of jail.
His children are of course the biggest losers in this whole mess.
ReplyDeleteHis children are of course the biggest losers in this whole mess.
ReplyDeleteFormer Ford colleagues invoke Fifth, refuse to testify
ReplyDeleteBy Richard Locker (Contact), Memphis Commercial Appeal
Originally published 11:05 a.m., July 16, 2008
Updated 11:51 a.m., July 16, 2008
NASHVILLE — NASHVILLE -- Two businessmen who had business relationships with former state senator John Ford invoked their Fifth Amendment privilege not to testify in Ford's federal court trial here today on the grounds that their testimony might incriminate them, and were released from their subpoenas to testify.
A third witness subpoenaed by the Ford defense, Memphis businessman Osbie Howard, was advised by the judge before he testified that should seek the advice of a lawyer.
The two would-be witnesses released were:
* Craig R. Kasten of suburban Milwaukee, Wis., a co-founder and former owner of Doral Dental Services, who prior testimony has indicated signed a consulting agreement with Ford in 2002.
* William C. Brooks of Detroit, the senior executive of United American Healthcare of Detroit, parent company of Memphis-based OmniCare. UAHC paid John Ford & Associates $420,500 in consulting fees from May 2001 to February 2005.
Outside of the jury's presence this morning, both men was summoned to the witness stand -- Kasten and Brooks with their attorneys by their sides -- and answered a series of questions posed by Ford's attorney, Asst. Federal Public Defender Isaiah S. Gant -- about whether they would answer questions regarding their business relationships with Ford between 2001 and 2005.
To most of those questions, Kasten responded: "I would respectfully refuse to answer those questions on the grounds my answers might tend to incriminate me."
Brooks responded simply, "Take the Fifth" to most of the questions posed to him.
Howard had arrived in court this morning without an attorney but U.S. District Court Judge Todd J. Campbell advised him, after he was summoned to the witness box, of his Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate himself. "This is a very serious case. ... It's my view that you should have advice of counsel on this, one experienced in criminal cases. It would be in your interests to seek advice."
Howard, a former chief executive officer of OmniCare Health Plan and a partner with Ford and two others in a consulting firm called Managed Care Services Group. MCSG was the entity that was paid over $1.1 million in consulting fees by Doral. Of that, testimony and bank records have shown has $433, 508 was paid to John Ford & Associates, Ford's consulting firm
Howard took the judge's advice and was excused to find an attorney and returned with Jodie Bell, who said she needs time to confer with her new client, prosecutors and Gant.
Jurors were finally brought into the courtroom at about 10:30 a.m. -- 1 1/2 hours after their regular arrival -- and Gant called Bill Williams, a veteran lobbyist of the Tennessee legislature, to testify.
Seems if they are taking the 5th it would be bad news for Ford.
ReplyDeleteWhy is Ford's Defense Attorney agrresively seeking to have them testify is my question. Seems if everything was as Ford states these guys shouldnt have a problem testifying.
He's trying to make veiled threats. John Ford has always felt people were afraid of what he knew.
ReplyDeleteWell so mych for that now, Guilty on all six counts. Not sure when sentencing is, it's not like he's going anywhere anyway
ReplyDeleteWell so mych for that now, Guilty on all six counts. Not sure when sentencing is, it's not like he's going anywhere anyway
ReplyDeleteSorry for the double post, double mouse click with a tad bit of lag isg is the culprit
ReplyDeleteIn the end nobody cared. The only one I saw at his trial. Was his sister and that same older woman that's at all his trials.
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